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BOOK VIII.

[Sidenote: _Republic VIII._ Socrates, Glaucon.]

[Sidenote: Recapitulation of Book V.]

*543A* And so, Glaucon, we have arrived at the conclusion that in the

perfect State wives and children are to be in common; and that all

education and the pursuits of war and peace are also to be common, and the

best philosophers and the bravest warriors are to be their kings?

That, replied Glaucon, has been acknowledged.

*543B* Yes, I said; and we have further acknowledged that the governors,

when appointed themselves, will take their soldiers and place them in

houses such as we were describing, which are common to all, and contain

nothing private, or individual; and about their property, you remember

what we agreed?

Yes, I remember that no one was to have any of the ordinary possessions of

mankind; they were to be warrior *543C* athletes and guardians, receiving

from the other citizens, in lieu of annual payment, only their

maintenance, and they were to take care of themselves and of the whole

State.

True, I said; and now that this division of our task is concluded, let us

find the point at which we digressed, that we may return into the old

path.

[Sidenote: Return to the end of Book IV.]

There is no difficulty in returning; you implied, then as now, that you

had finished the description of the State: you said that such a State was

good, and that the man was good *543D* who answered to it, although, as

now appears, you had more *544A* excellent things to relate both of State

and man. And you said further, that if this was the true form, then the

others were false; and of the false forms, you said, as I remember, that

there were four principal ones, and that their defects, and the defects of

the individuals corresponding to them, were worth examining. When we had

seen all the individuals, and finally agreed as to who was the best and

who was the worst {248} of them, we were to consider whether the best was

not also the happiest, and the worst the most miserable. I asked you what

were the four forms of government of which *544B* you spoke, and then

Polemarchus and Adeimantus put in their word; and you began again, and

have found your way to the point at which we have now arrived.

Your recollection, I said, is most exact.

Then, like a wrestler, he replied, you must put yourself again in the same

position; and let me ask the same questions, and do you give me the same

answer which you were about to give me then.

Yes, if I can, I will, I said.

I shall particularly wish to hear what were the four constitutions of

which you were speaking.

[Sidenote: Four imperfect constitutions, the Cretan or Spartan, Oligarchy,

Democracy, Tyranny.]

*544C* That question, I said, is easily answered: the four governments of

which I spoke, so far as they have distinct names, are, first, those of

Crete and Sparta, which are generally applauded; what is termed oligarchy

comes next; this is not equally approved, and is a form of government

which teems with evils: thirdly, democracy, which naturally follows

oligarchy, although very different: and lastly comes tyranny, great and

famous, which differs from them all, and is the fourth and worst disorder

of a State. I do not know, do you? of any other constitution which can be

said to have a distinct character. *544D* There are lordships and

principalities which are bought and sold, and some other intermediate

forms of government. But these are nondescripts and may be found equally

among Hellenes and among barbarians.

Yes, he replied, we certainly hear of many curious forms of government

which exist among them.

[Sidenote: States are like men, because they are made up of men.]

Do you know, I said, that governments vary as the dispositions of men

vary, and that there must be as many of the one as there are of the other?

For we cannot suppose that States are made of 'oak and rock,' and not out

of the human natures which are in them, and which in a figure *544E* turn

the scale and draw other things after them?

Yes, he said, the States are as the men are; they grow out of human

characters.

Then if the constitutions of States are five, the dispositions of

individual minds will also be five? {249}

Certainly.

Him who answers to aristocracy, and whom we rightly *545A* call just and

good, we have already described.

We have.

Then let us now proceed to describe the inferior sort of natures, being

the contentious and ambitious, who answer to the Spartan polity; also the

oligarchical, democratical, and tyrannical. Let us place the most just by

the side of the most unjust, and when we see them we shall be able to

compare the relative happiness or unhappiness of him who leads a life of

pure justice or pure injustice. The enquiry will then be completed. And we

shall know whether we ought to pursue injustice, as Thrasymachus advises,

or *545B* in accordance with the conclusions of the argument to prefer

justice.

Certainly, he replied, we must do as you say.

[Sidenote: The State and the individual.]

Shall we follow our old plan, which we adopted with a view to clearness,

of taking the State first and then proceeding to the individual, and begin

with the government of honour?--I know of no name for such a government

other than timocracy, or perhaps timarchy. We will compare with this the

like character in the individual; and, after that, *545C* consider

oligarchy and the oligarchical man; and then again we will turn our

attention to democracy and the democratical man; and lastly, we will go

and view the city of tyranny, and once more take a look into the tyrant's

soul, and try to arrive at a satisfactory decision.

That way of viewing and judging of the matter will be very suitable.

[Sidenote: How timocracy arises out of aristocracy.]

First, then, I said, let us enquire how timocracy (the government of

honour) arises out of aristocracy (the government *545D* of the best).

Clearly, all political changes originate in divisions of the actual

governing power; a government which is united, however small, cannot be

moved.

Very true, he said.

In what way, then, will our city be moved, and in what manner will the two

classes of auxiliaries and rulers disagree among themselves or with one

another? Shall we, after the manner of Homer, pray the Muses to tell us

'how discord *545E* first arose'? Shall we imagine them in solemn {250}

mockery, to play and jest with us as if we were children, and to address

us in a lofty tragic vein, making believe to be in earnest?

How would they address us?

[Sidenote: The intelligence which is alloyed with sense will not know how

to regulate births and deaths in accordance with the number which controls

them.]

*546A* After this manner:--A city which is thus constituted can hardly be

shaken; but, seeing that everything which has a beginning has also an end,

even a constitution such as yours will not last for ever, but will in time

be dissolved. And this is the dissolution:--In plants that grow in the

earth, as well as in animals that move on the earth's surface, fertility

and sterility of soul and body occur when the circumferences of the

circles of each are completed, which in short-lived existences pass over a

short space, and in long-lived ones over a long space. But to the

knowledge of human fecundity and sterility all the wisdom and education of

your rulers will not attain; *546B* the laws which regulate them will not

be discovered by an intelligence which is alloyed with sense, but will

escape them, and they will bring children into the world when they ought

not. Now that which is of divine birth has a period which is contained in

a perfect number,[1] but the period of human birth is comprehended in a

number in which first increments by involution and evolution [_or_ squared

and cubed] obtaining three intervals and four terms of like and unlike,

waxing and waning numbers, make all the terms *546C* commensurable and

agreeable to one another.[2] The base of these (3) with a third added (4)

when combined with five (20) and raised to the third power furnishes two

harmonies; the first a square which is a hundred times as great (400 =

4 x 100),[3] and the other a figure having one side equal to the former,

but oblong,[4] consisting of a hundred numbers squared upon rational

diameters of a square (i.e. omitting fractions), the side of which is five

(7 x 7 = 49 x 100 = 4900), each of them {251} being less by one (than the

perfect square which includes the fractions, sc. 50) or less by[5] two

perfect squares of irrational diameters (of a square the side of which is

five = 50 + 50 = 100); and a hundred cubes of three (27 x 100 = 2700 + 4900

+ 400 = 8000). Now this number represents a geometrical figure which has

control over *546D* the good and evil of births. For when your guardians

are ignorant of the law of births, and unite bride and bridegroom out of

season, the children will not be goodly or fortunate. And though only the

best of them will be appointed by their predecessors, still they will be

unworthy to hold their fathers' places, and when they come into power as

guardians, they will soon be found to fail in taking care of us, the

Muses, first by under-valuing music; which neglect will soon extend to

gymnastic; and hence the young men of your State will be less cultivated.

In the succeeding generation rulers will be appointed who have lost the

guardian power of testing the metal of your *546E* different races, which,

like Hesiod's, are of gold and silver and brass and iron. And so iron will

be mingled with silver, *547A* and brass with gold, and hence there will

arise dissimilarity and inequality and irregularity, which always and in

all places are causes of hatred and war. This the Muses affirm to be the

stock from which discord has sprung, wherever arising; and this is their

answer to us.

[Footnote 1: i.e. a cyclical number, such as 6, which is equal to the sum

of its divisors 1, 2, 3, so that when the circle or time represented by 6

is completed, the lesser times or rotations represented by 1, 2, 3 are

also completed.]

[Footnote 2: Probably the numbers 3, 4, 5, 6 of which the three first =

the sides of the Pythagorean triangle. The terms will then be 3^3, 4^3,

5^3, which together = 6^3 = 216.]

[Footnote 3: Or the first a square which is 100 x 100 = 10,000. The whole

number will then be 17,500 = a square of 100, and an oblong of 100 by 75.]

[Footnote 4: Reading [Greek: promê/kê de/].]

[Footnote 5: Or, 'consisting of two numbers squared upon irrational

diameters,' &c. = 100. For other explanations of the passage see

Introduction.]

Yes, and we may assume that they answer truly.

Why, yes, I said, of course they answer truly; how can the Muses speak

falsely?

*547B* And what do the Muses say next?

[Sidenote: Then discord arose and individual took the place of common

property.]

When discord arose, then the two races were drawn different ways: the iron

and brass fell to acquiring money and land and houses and gold and silver;

but the gold and silver races, not wanting money but having the true

riches in their own nature, inclined towards virtue and the ancient order

of things. There was a battle between them, and at last they agreed to

distribute their land and houses among *547C* individual owners; and they

enslaved their friends and maintainers, whom they had formerly protected

in the condition of freemen, and made of them subjects and servants; and

{252} they themselves were engaged in war and in keeping a watch against

them.

I believe that you have rightly conceived the origin of the change.

And the new government which thus arises will be of a form intermediate

between oligarchy and aristocracy?

Very true.

Such will be the change, and after the change has been made, *547D* how

will they proceed? Clearly, the new State, being in a mean between

oligarchy and the perfect State, will partly follow one and partly the

other, and will also have some peculiarities.

True, he said.

In the honour given to rulers, in the abstinence of the warrior class from

agriculture, handicrafts, and trade in general, in the institution of

common meals, and in the attention paid to gymnastics and military

training--in all these respects this State will resemble the former.

True.

[Sidenote: Timocracy will retain the military and reject the philosophical

character of the perfect State.]

*547E* But in the fear of admitting philosophers to power, because they

are no longer to be had simple and earnest, but are made up of mixed

elements; and in turning from them to passionate and less complex

characters, who are by nature *548A* fitted for war rather than peace; and

in the value set by them upon military stratagems and contrivances, and in

the waging of everlasting wars--this State will be for the most part

peculiar.

Yes.

[Sidenote: The soldier class miserly and covetous.]

Yes, I said; and men of this stamp will be covetous of money, like those

who live in oligarchies; they will have, a fierce secret longing after

gold and silver, which they will hoard in dark places, having magazines

and treasuries of their own for the deposit and concealment of them; also

castles which are just nests for their eggs, and in which they *548B* will

spend large sums on their wives, or on any others whom they please.

That is most true, he said.

And they are miserly because they have no means of openly acquiring the

money which they prize; they will spend that which is another man's on the

gratification of {253} their desires, stealing their pleasures and running

away like children from the law, their father: they have been schooled not

by gentle influences but by force, for they have neglected her who is the

true Muse, the companion of reason and *548C* philosophy, and have

honoured gymnastic more than music.

Undoubtedly, he said, the form of government which you describe is a

mixture of good and evil.

[Sidenote: The spirit of ambition predominates in such States.]

Why, there is a mixture, I said; but one thing, and one thing only, is

predominantly seen,--the spirit of contention and ambition; and these are

due to the prevalence of the passionate or spirited element.

Assuredly, he said.

Such is the origin and such the character of this State, which has been

described in outline only; the more perfect *548D* execution was not

required, for a sketch is enough to show the type of the most perfectly

just and most perfectly unjust; and to go through all the States and all

the characters of men, omitting none of them, would be an interminable

labour.

Very true, he replied.

[Sidenote: Socrates, Adeimantus.]

[Sidenote: The timocratic man, uncultured, but fond of culture, ambitious,

contentious, rough with slaves, and courteous to freemen; a soldier,

athlete, hunter; a despiser of riches while young, fond of them when he

grows old.]

Now what man answers to this form of government--how did he come into

being, and what is he like?

I think, said Adeimantus, that in the spirit of contention which

characterises him, he is not unlike our friend Glaucon.

*548E* Perhaps, I said, he may be like him in that one point; but there

are other respects in which he is very different.

In what respects?

He should have more of self-assertion and be less cultivated, and yet a

friend of culture; and he should be a good *549A* listener, but no

speaker. Such a person is apt to be rough with slaves, unlike the educated

man, who is too proud for that; and he will also be courteous to freemen,

and remarkably obedient to authority; he is a lover of power and a lover

of honour; claiming to be a ruler, not because he is eloquent, or on any

ground of that sort, but because he is a soldier and has performed feats

of arms; he is also a lover of gymnastic exercises and of the chase.

Yes, that is the type of character which answers to timocracy.

Such an one will despise riches only when he is young; {254} *549B* but as

he gets older he will be more and more attracted to them, because he has a

piece of the avaricious nature in him, and is not single-minded towards

virtue, having lost his best guardian.

Who was that? said Adeimantus.

Philosophy, I said, tempered with music, who comes and takes up her abode

in a man, and is the only saviour of his virtue throughout life.

Good, he said.

Such, I said, is the timocratical youth, and he is like the timocratical

State.

*549C* Exactly.

His origin is as follows:--He is often the young son of a brave father,

who dwells in an ill-governed city, of which he declines the honours and

offices, and will not go to law, or exert himself in any way, but is ready

to waive his rights in order that he may escape trouble.

And how does the son come into being?

[Sidenote: The timocratic man often originates in a reaction against his

father's character, which is encouraged by his mother,]

The character of the son begins to develope when he hears his mother

complaining that her husband has no place in the government, of which the

consequence is that she has *549D* no precedence among other women.

Further, when she sees her husband not very eager about money, and instead

of battling and railing in the law courts or assembly, taking whatever

happens to him quietly; and when she observes that his thoughts always

centre in himself, while he treats her with very considerable

indifference, she is annoyed, and says to her son that his father is only

half a man and far too easy-going: adding all the other complaints about

her own *549E* ill-treatment which women are so fond of rehearsing.

Yes, said Adeimantus, they give us plenty of them, and their complaints

are so like themselves.

[Sidenote: and by the old servants of the household.]

And you know, I said, that the old servants also, who are supposed to be

attached to the family, from time to time talk privately in the same

strain to the son; and if they see any one who owes money to his father,

or is wronging him in any way, and he fails to prosecute them, they tell

the youth that *550A* when he grows up he must retaliate upon people of

this sort, and be more of a man than his father. He has only to walk

abroad and he hears and sees the same sort of thing: those {255} who do

their own business in the city are called simpletons, and held in no

esteem, while the busy-bodies are honoured and applauded. The result is

that the young man, hearing and seeing all these things--hearing, too, the

words of his father, and having a nearer view of his way of life, and

making comparisons of him and others--is drawn opposite ways: *550B* while

his father is watering and nourishing the rational principle in his soul,

the others are encouraging the passionate and appetitive; and he being not

originally of a bad nature, but having kept bad company, is at last

brought by their joint influence to a middle point, and gives up the

kingdom which is within him to the middle principle of contentiousness and

passion, and becomes arrogant and ambitious.

You seem to me to have described his origin perfectly.

*550C* Then we have now, I said, the second form of government and the

second type of character?

We have.

Next, let us look at another man who, as Aeschylus says,

'Is set over against another State;'

or rather, as our plan requires, begin with the State.

By all means.

[Sidenote: Oligarchy]

I believe that oligarchy follows next in order.

And what manner of government do you term oligarchy?

A government resting on a valuation of property, in which *550D* the rich

have power and the poor man is deprived of it.

I understand, he replied.

Ought I not to begin by describing how the change from timocracy to

oligarchy arises?

Yes.

Well, I said, no eyes are required in order to see how the one passes into

the other.

How?

[Sidenote: arises out of increased accumulation and increased expenditure

among the citizens.]

The accumulation of gold in the treasury of private individuals is the

ruin of timocracy; they invent illegal modes of expenditure; for what do

they or their wives care about the law?

Yes, indeed.

*550E* And then one, seeing another grow rich, seeks to rival {256} him,

and thus the great mass of the citizens become lovers of money.

Likely enough.

[Sidenote: As riches increase, virtue decreases: the one is honoured, the

other despised; the one cultivated, the other neglected.]

And so they grow richer and richer, and the more they think of making a

fortune the less they think of virtue; for when riches and virtue are

placed together in the scales of the balance, the one always rises as the

other falls.

True.

*551A* And in proportion as riches and rich men are honoured in the State,

virtue and the virtuous are dishonoured.

Clearly.

And what is honoured is cultivated, and that which has no honour is

neglected.

That is obvious.

And so at last, instead of loving contention and glory, men become lovers

of trade and money; they honour and look up to the rich man, and make a

ruler of him, and dishonour the poor man.

They do so.

[Sidenote: In an oligarchy a money qualification is established.]

They next proceed to make a law which fixes a sum *551B* of money as the

qualification of citizenship; the sum is higher in one place and lower in

another, as the oligarchy is more or less exclusive; and they allow no one

whose property falls below the amount fixed to have any share in the

government. These changes in the constitution they effect by force of

arms, if intimidation has not already done their work.

Very true.

And this, speaking generally, is the way in which oligarchy is

established.

Yes, he said; but what are the characteristics of this form *551C* of

government, and what are the defects of which we were speaking[6]?

[Footnote 6: Cp. supra, 544 C.]

[Sidenote: A ruler is elected because he is rich: Who would elect a pilot

on this principle?]

First of all, I said, consider the nature of the qualification. Just think

what would happen if pilots were to be chosen according to their property,

and a poor man were refused permission to steer, even though he were a

better pilot?

You mean that they would shipwreck?

Yes; and is not this true of the government of anything[7]? {257}

[Footnote 7: Omitting [Greek: ê)/ tinos].]

I should imagine so.

Except a city?--or would you include a city?

Nay, he said, the case of a city is the strongest of all, inasmuch as the

rule of a city is the greatest and most difficult of all.

*551D* This, then, will be the first great defect of oligarchy?

Clearly.

And here is another defect which is quite as bad.

What defect?

[Sidenote: The extreme division of classes in such a State.]

The inevitable division: such a State is not one, but two States, the one

of poor, the other of rich men; and they are living on the same spot and

always conspiring against one another.

That, surely, is at least as bad.

[Sidenote: They dare not go to war.]

Another discreditable feature is, that, for a like reason, they are

incapable of carrying on any war. Either they arm *551E* the multitude,

and then they are more afraid of them than of the enemy; or, if they do

not call them out in the hour of battle, they are oligarchs indeed, few to

fight as they are few to rule. And at the same time their fondness for

money makes them unwilling to pay taxes.

How discreditable!

And, as we said before, under such a constitution the *552A* same persons

have too many callings--they are husbandmen, tradesmen, warriors, all in

one. Does that look well?

Anything but well.

There is another evil which is, perhaps, the greatest of all, and to which

this State first begins to be liable.

What evil?

[Sidenote: The ruined man, who has no occupation, once a spendthrift, now

a pauper, still exists in the State.]

A man may sell all that he has, and another may acquire his property; yet

after the sale he may dwell in the city of which he is no longer a part,

being neither trader, nor artisan, nor horseman, nor hoplite, but only a

poor, helpless creature.

*552B* Yes, that is an evil which also first begins in this State.

The evil is certainly not prevented there; for oligarchies have both the

extremes of great wealth and utter poverty.

True.

But think again: In his wealthy days, while he was spending his money, was

a man of this sort a whit more good to the State for the purposes of

citizenship? Or {258} did he only seem to be a member of the ruling body,

although in truth he was neither ruler nor subject, but just a

spendthrift?

*552C* As you say, he seemed to be a ruler, but was only a spendthrift.

May we not say that this is the drone in the house who is like the drone

in the honeycomb, and that the one is the plague of the city as the other

is of the hive?

Just so, Socrates.

And God has made the flying drones, Adeimantus, all without stings,

whereas of the walking drones he has made some without stings but others

have dreadful stings; of the stingless class are those who in their old

age end as paupers; *552D* of the stingers come all the criminal class, as

they are termed.

Most true, he said.

[Sidenote: Where there are paupers, there are thieves]

Clearly then, whenever you see paupers in a State, somewhere in that

neighbourhood there are hidden away thieves, and cut-purses and robbers of

temples, and all sorts of malefactors.

Clearly.

Well, I said, and in oligarchical States do you not find paupers?

Yes, he said; nearly everybody is a pauper who is not a ruler.

[Sidenote: and other criminals.]

*552E* And may we be so bold as to affirm that there are also many

criminals to be found in them, rogues who have stings, and whom the

authorities are careful to restrain by force?

Certainly, we may be so bold.

The existence of such persons is to be attributed to want of education,

ill-training, and an evil constitution of the State?

True.

Such, then, is the form and such are the evils of oligarchy; and there may

be many other evils.

Very likely.

*553A* Then oligarchy, or the form of government in which the rulers are

elected for their wealth, may now be dismissed. Let us next proceed to

consider the nature and origin of the individual who answers to this

State. {259}

By all means.

Does not the timocratical man change into the oligarchical on this wise?

How?

[Sidenote: The ruin of the timocratical man gives birth to the

oligarchical.]

A time arrives when the representative of timocracy has a son: at first he

begins by emulating his father and walking in his footsteps, but presently

he sees him of a sudden *553B* foundering against the State as upon a

sunken reef, and he and all that he has is lost; he may have been a

general or some other high officer who is brought to trial under a

prejudice raised by informers, and either put to death, or exiled, or

deprived of the privileges of a citizen, and all his property taken from

him.

Nothing more likely.

[Sidenote: His son begins life a ruined man and takes to money-making.]

And the son has seen and known all this--he is a ruined man, and his fear

has taught him to knock ambition and *553C* passion headforemost from his

bosom's throne; humbled by poverty he takes to money-making and by mean

and miserly savings and hard work gets a fortune together. Is not such an

one likely to seat the concupiscent and covetous element on the vacant

throne and to suffer it to play the great king within him, girt with tiara

and chain and scimitar?

Most true, he replied.

*553D* And when he has made reason and spirit sit down on the ground

obediently on either side of their sovereign, and taught them to know

their place, he compels the one to think only of how lesser sums may be

turned into larger ones, and will not allow the other to worship and

admire anything but riches and rich men, or to be ambitious of anything so

much as the acquisition of wealth and the means of acquiring it.

Of all changes, he said, there is none so speedy or so sure as the

conversion of the ambitious youth into the avaricious one.

*553E* And the avaricious, I said, is the oligarchical youth?

[Sidenote: The oligarchical man and State resemble one another in their

estimation of wealth: In their toiling and saving ways, in their want of

cultivation.]

Yes, he said; at any rate the individual out of whom he came is like the

State out of which oligarchy came.

Let us then consider whether there is any likeness between them.

*554A* Very good.

First, then, they resemble one another in the value which they set upon

wealth? {260}

Certainly.

Also in their penurious, laborious character; the individual only

satisfies his necessary appetites, and confines his expenditure to them;

his other desires he subdues, under the idea that they are unprofitable.

True.

He is a shabby fellow, who saves something out of everything and makes a

purse for himself; and this is the sort of *554B* man whom the vulgar

applaud. Is he not a true image of the State which he represents?

He appears to me to be so; at any rate money is highly valued by him as

well as by the State.

You see that he is not a man of cultivation, I said.

I imagine not, he said; had he been educated he would never have made a

blind god director of his chorus, or given him chief honour[8].

[Footnote 8: Reading [Greek: kai\ e)ti/ma ma/lista. Eu)=, ê)= d' e)gô/],

according to Schneider's excellent emendation.]

Excellent! I said. Yet consider: Must we not further admit that owing to

this want of cultivation there will be *554C* found in him dronelike

desires as of pauper and rogue, which are forcibly kept down by his

general habit of life?

True.

Do you know where you will have to look if you want to discover his

rogueries?

Where must I look?

[Sidenote: The oligarchical man keeps up a fair outside, but he has only

an enforced virtue and will cheat when he can.]

You should see him where he has some great opportunity of acting

dishonestly, as in the guardianship of an orphan.

Aye.

It will be clear enough then that in his ordinary dealings which give him

a reputation for honesty he coerces his bad *554D* passions by an enforced

virtue; not making them see that they are wrong, or taming them by reason,

but by necessity and fear constraining them, and because he trembles for

his possessions.

To be sure.

Yes, indeed, my dear friend, but you will find that the natural desires of

the drone commonly exist in him all the same whenever he has to spend what

is not his own. {261}

Yes, and they will be strong in him too.

The man, then, will be at war with himself; he will be two men, and not

one; but, in general, his better desires *554E* will be found to prevail

over his inferior ones.

True.

For these reasons such an one will be more respectable than most people;

yet the true virtue of a unanimous and harmonious soul will flee far away

and never come near him.

I should expect so.

[Sidenote: His meanness in a contest; he saves his money and loses the

prize.]

*555A* And surely, the miser individually will be an ignoble competitor in

a State for any prize of victory, or other object of honourable ambition;

he will not spend his money in the contest for glory; so afraid is he of

awakening his expensive appetites and inviting them to help and join in

the struggle; in true oligarchical fashion he fights with a small part

only of his resources, and the result commonly is that he loses the prize

and saves his money.

Very true.

Can we any longer doubt, then, that the miser and money-maker *555B*

answers to the oligarchical State?

There can be no doubt.

[Sidenote: Democracy arises out of the extravagance and indebtedness of

men of family and position,]

Next comes democracy; of this the origin and nature have still to be

considered by us; and then we will enquire into the ways of the democratic

man, and bring him up for judgment.

That, he said, is our method.

Well, I said, and how does the change from oligarchy into democracy arise?

Is it not on this wise?--The good at which such a State aims is to become

as rich as possible, a desire which is insatiable?

What then?

*555C* The rulers, being aware that their power rests upon their wealth,

refuse to curtail by law the extravagance of the spendthrift youth because

they gain by their ruin; they take interest from them and buy up their

estates and thus increase their own wealth and importance?

To be sure.

There can be no doubt that the love of wealth and the spirit of moderation

cannot exist together in citizens of the same state to any considerable

extent; one or the other will *555D* be disregarded. {262}

That is tolerably clear.

And in oligarchical States, from the general spread of carelessness and

extravagance, men of good family have often been reduced to beggary?

Yes, often.

[Sidenote: who remain in the city, and form a dangerous class ready to

head a revolution.]

And still they remain in the city; there they are, ready to sting and

fully armed, and some of them owe money, some have forfeited their

citizenship; a third class are in both predicaments; and they hate and

conspire against those who have got their property, and against everybody

else, and are *555E* eager for revolution.

That is true.

On the other hand, the men of business, stooping as they walk, and

pretending not even to see those whom they have already ruined, insert

their sting--that is, their money--into some one else who is not on his

guard against them, and recover the parent sum many times over multiplied

into a family of children: and so they make drone and pauper to abound in

the State.

*556A* Yes, he said, there are plenty of them--that is certain.

[Sidenote: Two remedies: (1) restrictions on the free use of property;]

The evil blazes up like a fire; and they will not extinguish it, either by

restricting a man's use of his own property, or by another remedy:

What other?

[Sidenote: (2) contracts to be made at a man's own risk.]

One which is the next best, and has the advantage of compelling the

citizens to look to their characters:--Let *556B* there be a general rule

that every one shall enter into voluntary contracts at his own risk, and

there will be less of this scandalous money-making, and the evils of which

we were speaking will be greatly lessened in the State.

Yes, they will be greatly lessened.

At present the governors, induced by the motives which I have named, treat

their subjects badly; while they and their adherents, especially the young

men of the governing class, are habituated to lead a life of luxury and

idleness *556C* both of body and mind; they do nothing, and are incapable

of resisting either pleasure or pain.

Very true.

They themselves care only for making money, and are as indifferent as the

pauper to the cultivation of virtue. {263}

Yes, quite as indifferent.

[Sidenote: The subjects discover the weakness of their rulers.]

Such is the state of affairs which prevails among them. And often rulers

and their subjects may come in one another's way, whether on a journey or

on some other occasion of meeting, on a pilgrimage or a march, as

fellow-soldiers or *556D* fellow-sailors; aye, and they may observe the

behaviour of each other in the very moment of danger--for where danger is,

there is no fear that the poor will be despised by the rich--and very

likely the wiry sunburnt poor man may be placed in battle at the side of a

wealthy one who has never spoilt his complexion and has plenty of

superfluous flesh--when he sees such an one puffing and at his wits' end,

how can he avoid drawing the conclusion that men like him are only rich

because no one has the courage to despoil them? And when they meet in

private will not people be *556E* saying to one another 'Our warriors are

not good for much'?

Yes, he said, I am quite aware that this is their way of talking.

[Sidenote: A slight cause, internal or external, may produce revolution.]

And, as in a body which is diseased the addition of a touch from without

may bring on illness, and sometimes even when there is no external

provocation a commotion may arise within--in the same way wherever there

is weakness in the State there is also likely to be illness, of which the

occasion may be very slight, the one party introducing from without their

oligarchical, the other their democratical allies, and then the State

falls sick, and is at war with herself; and *557A* may be at times

distracted, even when there is no external cause.

Yes, surely.

[Sidenote: Such is the origin and nature of democracy.]

And then democracy comes into being after the poor have conquered their

opponents, slaughtering some and banishing some, while to the remainder

they give an equal share of freedom and power; and this is the form of

government in which the magistrates are commonly elected by lot.

Yes, he said, that is the nature of democracy, whether the revolution has

been effected by arms, or whether fear has caused the opposite party to

withdraw.

And now what is their manner of life, and what sort of *557B* a government

have they? for as the government is, such will be the man.

Clearly, he said. {264}

[Sidenote: Democracy allows a man to do as he likes, and therefore

contains the greatest variety of characters and constitutions.]

In the first place, are they not free; and is not the city full of freedom

and frankness--a man may say and do what he likes?

'Tis said so, he replied.

And where freedom is, the individual is clearly able to order for himself

his own life as he pleases?

Clearly.

*557C* Then in this kind of State there will be the greatest variety of

human natures?

There will.

This, then, seems likely to be the fairest of States, being like an

embroidered robe which is spangled with every sort of flower[9]. And just

as women and children think a variety of colours to be of all things most

charming, so there are many men to whom this State, which is spangled with

the manners and characters of mankind, will appear to be the fairest of

States.

[Footnote 9: Omitting [Greek: ti/ mê/n; e)/phê].]

Yes.

*557D* Yes, my good Sir, and there will be no better in which to look for

a government.

Why?

Because of the liberty which reigns there--they have a complete assortment

of constitutions; and he who has a mind to establish a State, as we have

been doing, must go to a democracy as he would to a bazaar at which they

sell them, and pick out the one that suits him; then, when he has made his

choice, he may found his State.

*557E* He will be sure to have patterns enough.

[Sidenote: The law falls into abeyance.]

And there being no necessity, I said, for you to govern in this State,

even if you have the capacity, or to be governed, unless you like, or go

to war when the rest go to war, or to be at peace when others are at

peace, unless you are so disposed--there being no necessity also, because

some law forbids you to hold office or be a dicast, that you should not

hold office or be a dicast, if you have a fancy--is not *558A* this a way

of life which for the moment is supremely delightful?

For the moment, yes. {265}

And is not their humanity to the condemned[10] in some cases quite

charming? Have you not observed how, in a democracy, many persons,

although they have been sentenced to death or exile, just stay where they

are and walk about the world--the gentleman parades like a hero, and

nobody sees or cares?

[Footnote 10: Or, 'the philosophical temper of the condemned.']

Yes, he replied, many and many a one.

[Sidenote: All principles of order and good taste are trampled under foot

by democracy.]

*558B* See too, I said, the forgiving spirit of democracy, and the 'don't

care' about trifles, and the disregard which she shows of all the fine

principles which we solemnly laid down at the foundation of the city--as

when we said that, except in the case of some rarely gifted nature, there

never will be a good man who has not from his childhood been used to play

amid things of beauty and make of them a joy and a study--how grandly does

she trample all these fine notions of ours under her feet, never giving a

thought to the pursuits which make a statesman, and promoting to honour

any one who professes *558C* to be the people's friend.

Yes, she is of a noble spirit.

These and other kindred characteristics are proper to democracy, which is

a charming form of government, full of variety and disorder, and

dispensing a sort of equality to equals and unequals alike.

We know her well.

Consider now, I said, what manner of man the individual is, or rather

consider, as in the case of the State, how he comes into being.

Very good, he said.

Is not this the way--he is the son of the miserly and oligarchical *558D*

father who has trained him in his own habits?

Exactly.

[Sidenote: Which are the necessary and which the unnecessary pleasures?]

And, like his father, he keeps under by force the pleasures which are of

the spending and not of the getting sort, being those which are called

unnecessary?

Obviously.

Would you like, for the sake of clearness, to distinguish which are the

necessary and which are the unnecessary pleasures?

I should. {266}

[Sidenote: Necessary desires cannot be got rid of,]

Are not necessary pleasures those of which we cannot get *558E* rid, and

of which the satisfaction is a benefit to us? And they are rightly called

so, because we are framed by nature to desire both what is beneficial and

what is necessary, and cannot help it.

True.

*559A* We are not wrong therefore in calling them necessary?

We are not.

And the desires of which a man may get rid, if he takes pains from his

youth upwards--of which the presence, moreover, does no good, and in some

cases the reverse of good--shall we not be right in saying that all these

are unnecessary?

Yes, certainly.

Suppose we select an example of either kind, in order that we may have a

general notion of them?

Very good.

Will not the desire of eating, that is, of simple food and condiments, in

so far as they are required for health and *559B* strength, be of the

necessary class?

That is what I should suppose.

The pleasure of eating is necessary in two ways; it does us good and it is

essential to the continuance of life?

Yes.

[Sidenote: but may be indulged to excess.]

But the condiments are only necessary in so far as they are good for

health?

Certainly.

[Sidenote: Illustration taken from eating and drinking.]

And the desire which goes beyond this, of more delicate food, or other

luxuries, which might generally be got rid of, if controlled and trained

in youth, and is hurtful to the body, and hurtful to the soul in the

pursuit of wisdom and virtue, may be *559C* rightly called unnecessary?

Very true.

May we not say that these desires spend, and that the others make money

because they conduce to production?

Certainly.

And of the pleasures of love, and all other pleasures, the same holds

good?

True.

And the drone of whom we spoke was he who was surfeited in pleasures and

desires of this sort, and was the slave {267} *559D* of the unnecessary

desires, whereas he who was subject to the necessary only was miserly and

oligarchical?

Very true.

Again, let us see how the democratical man grows out of the oligarchical:

the following, as I suspect, is commonly the process.

What is the process?

[Sidenote: The young oligarch is led away by his wild associates.]

When a young man who has been brought up as we were just now describing,

in a vulgar and miserly way, has tasted drones' honey and has come to

associate with fierce and crafty natures who are able to provide for him

all sorts of refinements and varieties of pleasure--then, as you may

*559E* imagine, the change will begin of the oligarchical principle within

him into the democratical?

Inevitably.

[Sidenote: There are allies to either part of his nature.]

And as in the city like was helping like, and the change was effected by

an alliance from without assisting one division of the citizens, so too

the young man is changed by a class of desires coming from without to

assist the desires within him, that which is akin and alike again helping

that which is akin and alike?

Certainly.

And if there be any ally which aids the oligarchical principle within him,

whether the influence of a father or of kindred, *560A* advising or

rebuking him, then there arises in his soul a faction and an opposite

faction, and he goes to war with himself.

It must be so.

And there are times when the democratical principle gives way to the

oligarchical, and some of his desires die, and others are banished; a

spirit of reverence enters into the young man's soul and order is

restored.

Yes, he said, that sometimes happens.

And then, again, after the old desires have been driven out, *560B* fresh

ones spring up, which are akin to them, and because he their father does

not know how to educate them, wax fierce and numerous.

Yes, he said, that is apt to be the way.

They draw him to his old associates, and holding secret intercourse with

them, breed and multiply in him. {268}

Very true.

At length they seize upon the citadel of the young man's soul, which they

perceive to be void of all accomplishments and fair pursuits and true

words, which make their abode in the minds of men who are dear to the

gods, and are their best guardians and sentinels.

*560C* None better.

False and boastful conceits and phrases mount upwards and take their

place.

They are certain to do so.

[Sidenote: The progress of the oligarchic young man told in an allegory.]

And so the young man returns into the country of the lotus-eaters, and

takes up his dwelling there in the face of all men; and if any help be

sent by his friends to the oligarchical part of him, the aforesaid vain

conceits shut the gate of the king's fastness; and they will neither allow

the embassy itself to enter, nor if private advisers offer the fatherly

counsel of the aged will they listen to them or receive them. *560D* There

is a battle and they gain the day, and then modesty, which they call

silliness, is ignominiously thrust into exile by them, and temperance,

which they nickname unmanliness, is trampled in the mire and cast forth;

they persuade men that moderation and orderly expenditure are vulgarity

and meanness, and so, by the help of a rabble of evil appetites, they

drive them beyond the border.

Yes, with a will.

And when they have emptied and swept clean the soul of *560E* him who is

now in their power and who is being initiated by them in great mysteries,

the next thing is to bring back to their house insolence and anarchy and

waste and impudence in bright array having garlands on their heads, and a

great company with them, hymning their praises and calling *561A* them by

sweet names; insolence they term breeding, and anarchy liberty, and waste

magnificence, and impudence courage. And so the young man passes out of

his original nature, which was trained in the school of necessity, into

the freedom and libertinism of useless and unnecessary pleasures.

Yes, he said, the change in him is visible enough.

[Sidenote: He becomes a rake; but he also sometimes stops short in his

career and gives way to pleasures good and bad indifferently.]

After this he lives on, spending his money and labour and time on

unnecessary pleasures quite as much as on necessary {269} ones; but if he

be fortunate, and is not too much disordered in his wits, when years have

elapsed, and the heyday of *561B* passion is over--supposing that he then

re-admits into the city some part of the exiled virtues, and does not

wholly give himself up to their successors--in that case he balances his

pleasures and lives in a sort of equilibrium, putting the government of

himself into the hands of the one which comes first and wins the turn; and

when he has had enough of that, then into the hands of another; he

despises none of them but encourages them all equally.

Very true, he said.

[Sidenote: He rejects all advice,]

Neither does he receive or let pass into the fortress any true word of

advice; if any one says to him that some *561C* pleasures are the

satisfactions of good and noble desires, and others of evil desires, and

that he ought to use and honour some and chastise and master the others

--whenever this is repeated to him he shakes his head and says that they

are all alike, and that one is as good as another.

Yes, he said; that is the way with him.

[Sidenote: passing his life in the alternation from one extreme to

another.]

Yes, I said, he lives from day to day indulging the appetite of the hour;

and sometimes he is lapped in drink and strains of the flute; then he

becomes a water-drinker, and tries to get thin; *561D* then he takes a

turn at gymnastics; sometimes idling and neglecting everything, then once

more living the life of a philosopher; often he is busy with politics, and

starts to his feet and says and does whatever comes into his head; and, if

he is emulous of any one who is a warrior, off he is in that direction, or

of men of business, once more in that. His life has neither law nor order;

and this distracted existence he terms joy and bliss and freedom; and so

he goes on.

*561E* Yes, he replied, he is all liberty and equality.

[Sidenote: He is 'not one, but all mankind's epitome.']

Yes, I said; his life is motley and manifold and an epitome of the lives

of many;--he answers to the State which we described as fair and spangled.

And many a man and many a woman will take him for their pattern, and many

a constitution and many an example of manners is contained in him.

Just so.

*561A* Let him then be set over against democracy; he may truly be called

the democratic man. {270}

Let that be his place, he said.

[Sidenote: Tyranny and the tyrant.]

Last of all comes the most beautiful of all, man and State alike, tyranny

and the tyrant; these we have now to consider.

Quite true, he said.

Say then, my friend, In what manner does tyranny arise?--that it has a

democratic origin is evident.

Clearly.

And does not tyranny spring from democracy in the *562B* same manner as

democracy from oligarchy--I mean, after a sort?

How?

[Sidenote: The insatiable desire of wealth creates a demand for democracy,

the insatiable desire of freedom creates a demand for tyranny.]

The good which oligarchy proposed to itself and the means by which it was

maintained was excess of wealth--am I not right?

Yes.

And the insatiable desire of wealth and the neglect of all other things

for the sake of money-getting was also the ruin of oligarchy?

True.

And democracy has her own good, of which the insatiable desire brings her

to dissolution?

What good?

Freedom, I replied; which, as they tell you in a democracy, *562C* is the

glory of the State--and that therefore in a democracy alone will the

freeman of nature deign to dwell.

Yes; the saying is in every body's mouth.

I was going to observe, that the insatiable desire of this and the neglect

of other things introduces the change in democracy, which occasions a

demand for tyranny.

How so?

When a democracy which is thirsting for freedom has evil *562D*

cup-bearers presiding over the feast, and has drunk too deeply of the

strong wine of freedom, then, unless her rulers are very amenable and give

a plentiful draught, she calls them to account and punishes them, and says

that they are cursed oligarchs.

Yes, he replied, a very common occurrence.

[Sidenote: Freedom in the end means anarchy.]

Yes, I said; and loyal citizens are insultingly termed by her slaves who

hug their chains and men of naught; she would have subjects who are like

rulers, and rulers who are {271} like subjects: these are men after her

own heart, whom she praises and honours both in private and public. Now,

in *562E* such a State, can liberty have any limit?

Certainly not.

By degrees the anarchy finds a way into private houses, and ends by

getting among the animals and infecting them.

How do you mean?

I mean that the father grows accustomed to descend to the level of his

sons and to fear them, and the son is on a level with his father, he

having no respect or reverence for either of his parents; and this is his

freedom, and the metic is equal with the citizen and the citizen with the

metic, and the *563A* stranger is quite as good as either.

Yes, he said, that is the way.

[Sidenote: The inversion of all social relations.]

And these are not the only evils, I said--there are several lesser ones:

In such a state of society the master fears and flatters his scholars, and

the scholars despise their masters and tutors; young and old are all

alike; and the young man is on a level with the old, and is ready to

compete with him in word or deed; and old men condescend to the young and

are full of pleasantry and gaiety; they are loth to be *563B* thought

morose and authoritative, and therefore they adopt the manners of the

young.

Quite true, he said.

The last extreme of popular liberty is when the slave bought with money,

whether male or female, is just as free as his or her purchaser; nor must

I forget to tell of the liberty and equality of the two sexes in relation

to each other.

*563C* Why not, as Aeschylus says, utter the word which rises to our lips?

[Sidenote: Freedom among the animals.]

That is what I am doing, I replied; and I must add that no one who does

not know would believe, how much greater is the liberty which the animals

who are under the dominion of man have in a democracy than in any other

State: for truly, the she-dogs, as the proverb says, are as good as their

she-mistresses, and the horses and asses have a way of marching along with

all the rights and dignities of freemen; and they will run at any body who

comes in their way if he does not leave the road clear for them: and all

things are *563D* just ready to burst with liberty. {272}

When I take a country walk, he said, I often experience what you describe.

You and I have dreamed the same thing.

[Sidenote: No law, no authority.]

And above all, I said, and as the result of all, see how sensitive the

citizens become; they chafe impatiently at the least touch of authority,

and at length, as you know, they cease to care even for the laws, written

or unwritten; they will have *563E* no one over them.

Yes, he said, I know it too well.

Such, my friend, I said, is the fair and glorious beginning out of which

springs tyranny.

Glorious indeed, he said. But what is the next step?

The ruin of oligarchy is the ruin of democracy; the same disease magnified

and intensified by liberty overmasters democracy--the truth being that the

excessive *564A* increase of anything often causes a reaction in the

opposite direction; and this is the case not only in the seasons and in

vegetable and animal life, but above all in forms of government.

True.

The excess of liberty, whether in States or individuals, seems only to

pass into excess of slavery.

Yes, the natural order.

And so tyranny naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated

form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme form of liberty?

As we might expect.

[Sidenote: The common evil of oligarchy and democracy is the class of idle

spend-thrifts.]

That, however, was not, as I believe, your question--you rather desired to

know what is that disorder which is *564B* generated alike in oligarchy

and democracy, and is the ruin of both?

Just so, he replied.

Well, I said, I meant to refer to the class of idle spendthrifts, of whom

the more courageous are the leaders and the more timid the followers, the

same whom we were comparing to drones, some stingless, and others having

stings.

A very just comparison.

[Sidenote: Illustration.]

These two classes are the plagues of every city in which they are

generated, being what phlegm and bile are to the body. *564C* And the good

physician and lawgiver of the State {273} ought, like the wise bee-master,

to keep them at a distance and prevent, if possible, their ever coming in;

and if they have anyhow found a way in, then he should have them and their

cells cut out as speedily as possible.

Yes, by all means, he said.

[Sidenote: Altogether three classes in a democracy.]

Then, in order that we may see clearly what we are doing, let us imagine

democracy to be divided, as indeed it is, into *564D* three classes; for

in the first place freedom creates rather more drones in the democratic

than there were in the oligarchical State.

That is true.

And in the democracy they are certainly more intensified.

How so?

[Sidenote: (1) The drones or spend-thrifts who are more numerous and

active than in the oligarchy.]

Because in the oligarchical State they are disqualified and driven from

office, and therefore they cannot train or gather strength; whereas in a

democracy they are almost the entire ruling power, and while the keener

sort speak and act, the rest keep buzzing about the bema and do *564E* not

suffer a word to be said on the other side; hence in democracies almost

everything is managed by the drones.

Very true, he said.

Then there is another class which is always being severed from the mass.

What is that?

[Sidenote: (2) The orderly or wealthy class who are fed upon by the

drones.]

They are the orderly class, which in a nation of traders is sure to be the

richest.

Naturally so.

They are the most squeezable persons and yield the largest amount of honey

to the drones.

Why, he said, there is little to be squeezed out of people who have

little.

And this is called the wealthy class, and the drones feed upon them.

*565A* That is pretty much the case, he said.

[Sidenote: (3) The working class who also get a share.]

The people are a third class, consisting of those who work with their own

hands; they are not politicians, and have not much to live upon. This,

when assembled, is the largest and most powerful class in a democracy.

True, he said; but then the multitude is seldom willing to congregate

unless they get a little honey. {274}

And do they not share? I said. Do not their leaders deprive the rich of

their estates and distribute them among the people; at the same time

taking care to reserve the larger part for themselves?

*565B* Why, yes, he said, to that extent the people do share.

[Sidenote: The well-to-do have to defend themselves against the people.]

And the persons whose property is taken from them are compelled to defend

themselves before the people as they best can?

What else can they do?

And then, although they may have no desire of change, the others charge

them with plotting against the people and being friends of oligarchy?

True.

And the end is that when they see the people, not of their own accord, but

through ignorance, and because they are *565C* deceived by informers,

seeking to do them wrong, then at last they are forced to become oligarchs

in reality; they do not wish to be, but the sting of the drones torments

them and breeds revolution in them.

That is exactly the truth.

Then come impeachments and judgments and trials of one another.

True.

[Sidenote: The people have a protector who, when once he tastes blood, is

converted into a tyrant.]

The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse

into greatness.

Yes, that is their way.

*565D* This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he

first appears above ground he is a protector.

Yes, that is quite clear.

How then does a protector begin to change into a tyrant? Clearly when he

does what the man is said to do in the tale of the Arcadian temple of

Lycaean Zeus.

What tale?

The tale is that he who has tasted the entrails of a single human victim

minced up with the entrails of other victims is *565E* destined to become

a wolf. Did you never hear it?

Oh, yes.

And the protector of the people is like him; having a mob entirely at his

disposal, he is not restrained from shedding the blood of kinsmen; by the

favourite method of false accusation he brings them into court and murders

them, {275} making the life of man to disappear, and with unholy tongue

and lips tasting the blood of his fellow citizens; some he kills and

others he banishes, at the same time hinting at the abolition of debts and

partition of lands: and after this, what *566A* will be his destiny? Must

he not either perish at the hands of his enemies, or from being a man

become a wolf--that is, a tyrant?

Inevitably.

This, I said, is he who begins to make a party against the rich?

The same.

[Sidenote: After a time he is driven out, but comes back a full-blown

tyrant.]

After a while he is driven out, but comes back, in spite of his enemies, a

tyrant full grown.

That is clear.

*566B* And if they are unable to expel him, or to get him condemned to

death by a public accusation, they conspire to assassinate him.

Yes, he said, that is their usual way.

[Sidenote: The body-guard.]

Then comes the famous request for a body-guard, which is the device of all

those who have got thus far in their tyrannical career--'Let not the

people's friend,' as they say, 'be lost to them.'

Exactly.

The people readily assent; all their fears are for him--they have none for

themselves.

*566C* Very true.

And when a man who is wealthy and is also accused of being an enemy of the

people sees this, then, my friend, as the oracle said to Croesus,

'By pebbly Hermus' shore he flees and rests not, and is not ashamed to

be a coward[11].'

[Footnote 11: Herod. i. 55.]

And quite right too, said he, for if he were, he would never be ashamed

again.

But if he is caught he dies.

Of course.

[Sidenote: The protector standing up in the chariot of State.]

*566D* And he, the protector of whom we spoke, is to be seen, not 'larding

the plain' with his bulk, but himself the overthrower of many, standing up

in the chariot of State with the reins in his hand, no longer protector,

but tyrant absolute. {276}

No doubt, he said.

And now let us consider the happiness of the man, and also of the State in

which a creature like him is generated.

Yes, he said, let us consider that.

At first, in the early days of his power, he is full of smiles, and he

salutes every one whom he meets;--he to be called *566E* a tyrant, who is

making promises in public and also in private! liberating debtors, and

distributing land to the people and his followers, and wanting to be so

kind and good to every one!

Of course, he said.

[Sidenote: He stirs up wars, and impoverishes his subjects by the

imposition of taxes.]

But when he has disposed of foreign enemies by conquest or treaty, and

there is nothing to fear from them, then he is always stirring up some war

or other, in order that the people may require a leader.

To be sure.

*567A* Has he not also another object, which is that they may be

impoverished by payment of taxes, and thus compelled to devote themselves

to their daily wants and therefore less likely to conspire against him?

Clearly.

And if any of them are suspected by him of having notions of freedom, and

of resistance to his authority, he will have a good pretext for destroying

them by placing them at the mercy of the enemy; and for all these reasons

the tyrant must be always getting up a war.

He must.

*567B* Now he begins to grow unpopular.

A necessary result.

Then some of those who joined in setting him up, and who are in power,

speak their minds to him and to one another, and the more courageous of

them cast in his teeth what is being done.

Yes, that may be expected.

[Sidenote: He gets rid of his bravest and boldest followers.]

And the tyrant, if he means to rule, must get rid of them; he cannot stop

while he has a friend or an enemy who is good for anything.

He cannot.

And therefore he must look about him and see who is *567C* valiant, who is

high-minded, who is wise, who is wealthy; {277} happy man, he is the enemy

of them all, and must seek occasion against them whether he will or no,

until he has made a purgation of the State.

Yes, he said, and a rare purgation.

[Sidenote: His purgation of the State.]

Yes, I said, not the sort of purgation which the physicians make of the

body; for they take away the worse and leave the better part, but he does

the reverse.

If he is to rule, I suppose that he cannot help himself.

*567D* What a blessed alternative, I said:--to be compelled to dwell only

with the many bad, and to be by them hated, or not to live at all!

Yes, that is the alternative.

And the more detestable his actions are to the citizens the more

satellites and the greater devotion in them will he require?

Certainly.

And who are the devoted band, and where will he procure them?

They will flock to him, he said, of their own accord, if he pays them.

[Sidenote: More drones.]

By the dog! I said, here are more drones, of every sort *567E* and from

every land.

Yes, he said, there are.

But will he not desire to get them on the spot?

How do you mean?

He will rob the citizens of their slaves; he will then set them free and

enrol them in his body-guard.

To be sure, he said; and he will be able to trust them best of all.

[Sidenote: He puts to death his friends and lives with the slaves whom he

has enfranchised.]

What a blessed creature, I said, must this tyrant be; he *568A* has put to

death the others and has these for his trusted friends.

Yes, he said; they are quite of his sort.

Yes, I said, and these are the new citizens whom he has called into

existence, who admire him and are his companions, while the good hate and

avoid him.

Of course.

[Sidenote: Euripides and the tragedians praise tyranny, which is an

excellent reason for expelling them from our State.]

Verily, then, tragedy is a wise thing and Euripides a great tragedian.

Why so? {278}

Why, because he is the author of the pregnant saying,

*568B* 'Tyrants are wise by living with the wise;'

and he clearly meant to say that they are the wise whom the tyrant makes

his companions.

Yes, he said, and he also praises tyranny as godlike; and many other

things of the same kind are said by him and by the other poets.

And therefore, I said, the tragic poets being wise men will forgive us and

any others who live after our manner if we do not receive them into our

State, because they are the eulogists of tyranny.

*568C* Yes, he said, those who have the wit will doubtless forgive us.

But they will continue to go to other cities and attract mobs, and hire

voices fair and loud and persuasive, and draw the cities over to tyrannies

and democracies.

Very true.

Moreover, they are paid for this and receive honour--the greatest honour,

as might be expected, from tyrants, and the next greatest from

democracies; but the higher they ascend *568D* our constitution hill, the

more their reputation fails, and seems unable from shortness of breath to

proceed further.

True.

But we are wandering from the subject: Let us therefore return and enquire

how the tyrant will maintain that fair and numerous and various and

ever-changing army of his.

[Sidenote: The tyrant seizes the treasures in the temples, and when these

fail feeds upon the people.]

If, he said, there are sacred treasures in the city, he will confiscate

and spend them; and in so far as the fortunes of attainted persons may

suffice, he will be able to diminish the taxes which he would otherwise

have to impose upon the people.

*568E* And when these fail?

Why, clearly, he said, then he and his boon companions, whether male or

female, will be maintained out of his father's estate.

You mean to say that the people, from whom he has derived his being, will

maintain him and his companions?

Yes, he said; they cannot help themselves.

[Sidenote: They rebel, and then he beats his own parent, i.e. the people.]

But what if the people fly into a passion, and aver that a {279} grown-up

son ought not to be supported by his father, but *569A* that the father

should be supported by the son? The father did not bring him into being,

or settle him in life, in order that when his son became a man he should

himself be the servant of his own servants and should support him and his

rabble of slaves and companions; but that his son should protect him, and

that by his help he might be emancipated from the government of the rich

and aristocratic, as they are termed. And so he bids him and his

companions depart, just as any other father might drive out of the house a

riotous son and his undesirable associates.

By heaven, he said, then the parent will discover what *569B* a monster he

has been fostering in his bosom; and, when he wants to drive him out, he

will find that he is weak and his son strong.

Why, you do not mean to say that the tyrant will use violence? What! beat

his father if he opposes him?

Yes, he will, having first disarmed him.

Then he is a parricide, and a cruel guardian of an aged parent; and this

is real tyranny, about which there can be no longer a mistake: as the

saying is, the people who would escape the smoke which is the slavery of

freemen, has fallen *569C* into the fire which is the tyranny of slaves.

Thus liberty, getting out of all order and reason, passes into the

harshest and bitterest form of slavery.

True, he said.

Very well; and may we not rightly say that we have sufficiently discussed

the nature of tyranny, and the manner of the transition from democracy to

tyranny?

Yes, quite enough, he said.